WLCG-OSG-EGEE Ops' Minutes Mon 16 Feb 2009


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  • Asia Pacific ROC: Jason
  • Central Europe ROC: Malgorzata
  • OCC / CERN ROC: John Shade, Antonio Retico, Nick Thackray, Steve Traylen
  • French ROC: Rolf
  • German/Swiss ROC: Angela, Wen Mei
  • Italian ROC:
  • Northern Europe ROC: Roger, Ron
  • Russian ROC: Lev
  • South East Europe ROC: Kostas
  • South West Europe ROC: Kai
  • UK/Ireland ROC: Derek Ross, Jeremy
  • GGUS: Torsten
  • GOCDB: Gilles Mathieu
  • OSG: Rob


  • WLCG Service Coordination: Absent

WLCG Tier 1 Sites

  • ASGC: Jason
  • BNL: Absent
  • CERN site: ?
  • FNAL: Catalin
  • FZK: Angela
  • IN2P3: Rolf
  • INFN:
  • NDGF: Roger
  • PIC: Kai
  • RAL: Derek Ross

LHC Experiments

  • ATLAS: Alessandro di Girolamo
  • LHCb: absent
  • CMS: absent
  • ALICE: absent

Feedback on Last Week's Minutes

None was given.

EGEE Items

Grid Operator Hand Over on Duty

  Primary Team Secondary Team
From Russia UK/I
To DECH South East Europe

Report from UK/I
List of sites eligible for suspension.
  • SITE: RO-03-UPB; ROC: SEE; GGUS:45038
    • Reason for escalation: still within 2nd mail escalation, but no updates for last 2 weeks
    • No one from South East online (at the time) actions to be created.
  • SITE: RRC-KI; ROC: Russia; GGUS:45788, GGUS:45789
    • (Reason for escalation: reply from SAM testing team is required

Report from Russia
Nothing to report.

Other points
IMCSUL-INF site from Northern Europe. Site is in downtime since 14/01/2009 and end date is set to 27/02/2009 (more then 1 month).
  • Northern Europe confirmed that this site is now suspended so no more action required.

PPS Reports and Issues

Is this just the swapping to the old repository.
  • Cream CE testing - See results in agenda. *Another request for sites to early tests services. Thanks to GRIF DPM and LFC offers.
  • See agenda for more details.

gLite Release News

EGEE Items From ROC Reports

South East Europe
  1. We would like to address the issue at GGUS:45785. In particular, for the new look of https://lcg-sam.cern.ch:8443/sam/sam.py.
    • First, we would like to be able to right-click and copy links there directly, instead of bookmarking them. And we would like to be able to do that for the "Details" also."
    • A ticket is with SAM and will be dealt with by the SAM team.
  2. A non urgent CA update was broadcasted on late Thurday, meaning that most sites saw that on Friday GGUS:45892. This not a good practice in our opinion counter to http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki Procedure_for_new_CA_release. There have been in the past problems spotted after the release, which in this case would mean that they would have be dealt during the weekend.
    • We will try and keep the process to the first half of the week. This time the process was delayed till the end of the week due to illness.
  3. Quiet some time ago we opened GGUS:42028 about DPM. There has been no response ever since, but we eventually found assistance from the dpm user mailing list discovered from a post in lcg rollout. Is DPM not supported via GGUS?
    • Use the new escalation details now available in GGUS.
We were asked to check whether our regions had any issues with gLite 3.0 becoming obsolete. In the UK we had 3 sites still running a gLite 3.0 CE. Of these, two can easily move their remaining CE to 3.1. However the third is running the Condor batch system and the system administrator notes that: "The Condor part of gLite-3.1 is still in the PPS and according to the SA3 batchsystem-condor team, it doesn t seem to work with WMS job submission as well. Hence, it not possible for Cambridge to upgrade the CE to 3.1 until condor integration work is complete and in production".
  • Nick will follow up , create action item for Nick.

SAM Service

  • In one week’s time, we will stop submitting SE and SRMv1 tests. They were replaced in December by the SRMv2 tests.
  • Barring any objections from the WLCG MB, and following a request from Mattias Ellert (NDGF), the ARCCE-lfc test will be made critical at the beginning of March. At the same time, the ARCCE-rls test will be made non-critical. FROM NDGF: Since ATLAS has moved away from using the RLS server and no other LCG experiment is using it, we would like to mark the ARCCE-rls test as non-critical. The experiments are now using LFC instead, and we have since some time an ARCCE-lfc test that tests the LFC functionality on the clusters. Since this functionality is critical for production, we would like to make this test critical.
Should the classic-SE be deleted as a type from the GOCDB?
Don't do unless there is reason. There are and will be for ever more I expect classic SEs out there.

WLCG Items


OSG Items

  • GGUS:45488 , an escalation procedure will occur this Thursday so hopefully some progress after that.
  • GGUS:45094 , Waiting on Gunter who is now just back today.

Newly Created Action Items

Assigned to Due date Description State Closed Notify  
Main.ROCSE 2009-02-27 RO-03-UPB has been been escalated to operations meeting for possible suspension ROC: SEE; GGUS:45038

Feb 23rd Ticket is now solved, site in quarantine. Close this action item after next operations meeting.

2009-02-27 edit

Assigned to Due date Description State Closed Notify  
Main.Nick 2009-02-27 Nick to check on CE status with respect to gLite 3.0/3.1 and Condor.

Update at the meeting - Confusion as to what this action was about. Whether Condor is supported on the gLite 3.1 LCG CE. Nick will follow up.

Update 27 Feb 09 - In theory the gLite 3.1 LCG CE should support the Condor batch system. Instructions on how to set it up are here: https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/EGEE/BatchSystems. If a site has problems, please submit a GGUS ticket and CC neissner@picNOSPAMPLEASE.es.

Update 9 Mar 09 - closing

2009-03-10 edit

Review of Open Action Items

  • Only central services at RedIRIS - steve follow up.
  • Common RPMS to many VOs. - Nick in touch with SA3 and Experiments to see what it can be done.

Open Action Items

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Actions Closed in Last 20 Days

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